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Devil’s Deception of the Secularists (al-dhariyyah): Ibn al-Jawzi

 

Iblis has deceived many people to believe that there is no god or creator, and that all things came to existence without a maker. These people denied Allah’s existence because they failed to sense Him with their senses, and failed to use their intellect to recognise Him. Could any person with a sound mind doubt the existence of a maker? If a person passes by a piece of land with no buildings, then returned to find a wall built there, he would realise that there must have been a builder who built the wall.

 

This wide expanse (earth), this raised ceiling (the sky) , these amazing buildings and these running laws that imply wisdom, do not they prove the existence of a creator?! A desert-Arab once said:

“Truly the camel extract points to (the existence of) a camel, so an upper structure that is this pleasant, and a lower center that is this dense; do not they point to al-La!if (the One Who is above All Comprehension), al-Khabir (the One Most Acquainted will Things) . In fact, if a person only contemplates over himself, that would be enough of a proof. The human body contains wisdoms that may not be compiled in a book.”

 

 

He who ponders on the sharpness of teeth to enable it to chop (food), the flatness of molars to grind (food), the tongue that rotates what .is being chewed, the liver that ripens food, how nutrition flows to each part of the body as needed, these fingers that have knuckles so they can bend and open to perform work; they never become hollow from work, otherwise they would break, how some fingers are longer than others so they all become the same length when bent, and how the most hidden of the body is that which holds it together, the soul, once it goes the body become corrupt, and intellect that leads to welfare community, whoever ponders on all of these things must surely call: Can there be any doubt about Allah?

 

 

He who denies Allah is confused because he sought Him through the senses. Others denied Allah because they were unable to sense Him after he had proven His existence in principle. So he went back and denied the principle itself Had these persons used their intellects they would have realised that there are things that can only be determined in principle, such as: the soul and intellect, the existence of which was denied by nobody. What else is the objective other than proving Allah’s existence in principle? And how can anyone ask: How is He? or what is He? When He has no “howness” or “whatness”.

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Among the clear proofs of His existence is that the world is accidental (became after it was not) because it is never free from accidents. Anything that is never free from accidents is, itself, accidental. There must be a causer for these accidents, and the causer is the Creator (the Mighty and the Majestic) .

 

Atheists object to us saying: “(The concept that) anything created must have a creator is based on observation. And we would like to use the ability to observe as the judge between us.”

 

So we respond by saying: “Just as the created must have a creator, the created image must possess substance. For example, wood is the substance of a door, and iron is the substance of an axe.”

 

They respond: “What you use to prove the creator necessitates that this world is pre-eternal (had no beginning) .”

Our answer is:

there is no need for substance. The Creator invents this from nothing. We know that images, like that of a wheel, were created with no substance. So they must have had an image-maker. We have given you the example of something that came from nothing, the image. But you cannot show us a creature that came from no creator.

 

[The Devil’s Deception by Ibn al-Jawzi, page 90-92]

 

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  1. October 19, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    I can’t understand why, if Voltaire believe, there is a watch-maker who makes the watches but there is no ALLAH who make this beautiful universe… how is this impossible?

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  2. October 20, 2014 at 5:45 am

    Sounds strangely like the same arguments other religions would make. If something must be created to exist, then your god would also need a creator and that creator a creator and so forth.

    You can pretend atheists are stupid for not believing in your particular brand of god, but that doesn’t mean they are, any more than if I pretended every theist was stupid or not using their intellect.

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    • October 20, 2014 at 7:33 am

      ((If something must be created to exist, then your god would also need a creator and that creator a creator and so forth.))

      That’s your false theory. The very definition of God will cease to exist if God were to be created [by someone?].

      Allah says:

      “Say, “He is Allah , [who is] One, Allah , the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” [Surah Ikhlas]

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      • October 20, 2014 at 8:48 am

        That’s not a theory. It’s called logic. It’s your own logic. You made the argument that everything needs a creator. That would mean any god would need a creator.

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  3. October 20, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    When a rule is made in a company/organisation, the boss is not included in that. Hope you know this.

    So keep Allah out of your logic of everything need creator. Allah is the creator and He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

    Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

    “People will keep on asking question until someone will say, ‘Allaah created the universe, but who created Allaah?’ Whoever encounters anything like that, let him say, ‘Amantu Billaah (I believe in Allaah).’”

    He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

    “Allaah existed when there was nothing apart from Him.” According to another report: “There was nothing before Him.”

    (Narrated by al-Bukhaari; the first report 3020; the second report 6982).

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  4. akowwa
    October 25, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    well, you see the whole “creating” or “creation” thing is indeed a mere creation of God almighty. He made the laws of the procedure of creating something and of course He himself is out of that law. He makes laws according to His own wish and wisdom.

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  5. akowwa
    October 25, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    A theory is always build on some pre-estimated belief or calculation. logic and mathematical calculation strengthens it. And finaly experiments may prove it or not. We do not depend on mere theories or illogical stubbornness. We depend on logical beliefs which explains everything clearly. Allah did indeed explained everything clearly enough.

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